Stable genetics...

[Willow]

Just checking if I've got these right >.>


Palamino
?? ee Cc rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt oo ?? ?? ?? ??



Red Dun Overo
?? ee cc rr D? gg ww ll ?? tt Oo PP ?? ?? ??


Buckskin
A? E? Cc rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt oo ?? ?? ?? ??


I'm not great with genetics X3
Have I figured it out right?
And to find the '?' genes, I should try pairing with horses that show that gene?
~Willow

[indigowulf]

anything not chestnut, you cannot know if it has flaxen, because it wouldnt show. Same with fleabitten- only shows on grey, so a black horse, for example, could have both flaxen and fleabitten and you wouldnt know it without test breeding.

[Keilin Alyr]

Palomino:

I think palomino is essentially a chestnut partially affected by the cream gene. Everything you have looks okay, other than flea-bitten and perhaps silver dapple.

I'm not sure you can tell the flea-bitten gene unless you breed him, as he isn't gray. Also, I'd personally put him down as ?? for silver dapple, since he's essentially a chestnut, which I don't believe show dappling.

So he's: ?? ee Cc rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt oo ?? ?? ?? ??

Red Dun Tovero:

He looks frame to me too, though I'd get a second opinion from someone who actually knows horses. But if he is, that would make him Oo PP. Again, I don't think you can tell flea-bitten and silver dapple on a base chestnut, but it looks good.

Was he officially listed as Tovero out of curiosity? I thought Tobiano affected the legs, and your boy has red legs. *ponders*

What I'd list him as: ?? ee cc rr D? gg ww ll ?? T? Oo PP ?? ?? ??

Buckskin:

Given that buckskin is a modified bay, I'd list her as A? rather than AA. She's also E?, since if she carried both recessive e's, she'd be palomino. And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'm not sure you can tell her flea-bitten or her flaxen status, since she isn't gray or chestnut.

Her dapple status on the other hand... I'm not sure if dapples would show up on buckskin. I know if she were a basic bay you'd be able to tell easily, but I'd get a second opinion.

I'd list her: A? E? Cc rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt oo ?? ?? ?? ??

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Now to check those pesky hidden agouti genes on your palomino and red dun, I'd breed them both with a black mare (not overo in Capricorn's case) without recessive extension (so no Ee or ee) and see what foals result. The foals will inherit (a) from their mother, so any unknowns will be the father's.

I have a few charts on another horse genetics thread that should give a better idea of what your stallions might carry given their offspring results.

But I find testing an unknown against a double recessive and working from there works for me. Others might have better advice. =)

[Willow]

Thank you Keilin, I've read all your posts, and they're actually helping me quite a bit
Ty!
~Willow

ETA: Nope, actually he's just Overo

[Keilin Alyr]

Glad I could be of help, Willow. =)

Sometimes though, I worry I messed up something really badly, and someone would only catch it long after quite a few newbies to genetics had taken a look, so I'd be responsible for confusing even more people.  I've only recently begun to understand horses. Before this, I only understood cat genetics and even that was shaky.

I mean, I've already been thrown by dun once (which is funny, because I'm fine with tobiano/overo), which is visible when dominant, so either it shows or it doesn't, no carrying. Granted, the genetics system a friend of mine for her dragons has ALL special traits as double-recessives. I might have to poke her about that.

Ah, so your pretty red dun boy is: ?? ee cc rr D? gg ww ll ?? tt Oo PP ?? ?? ??. One more unknown taken care of. =D

[Lectral]

The "silver dapple" gene is a little misleading in name - it doesn't create dapples.  It dilutes black.  It will not show on chestnuts, as they don't have black to dilute.  But it will show on bay, black, buckskin, etc.  Any of the black based colors - it tends to dilute the black manes to silver, cream, or rarely, white, and black on the body to shades of brown, usually called chocolate (sometimes very interesting shades - Silver on Grulla. 

Other names for the dilution are chocolate silver (a slightly more accurate description of the color, as not all of them get dapples), and taffy (mostly used in Australia)

Since a lot of people in RL have been confusing the "silver dapple" term, some are trying to use just "silver" as the name for the gene

[springacres]

Actually, your red dun boy is also non-flaxen, so his genetic code would be this:
?? ee cc rr D? gg ww ll ?? tt Oo PP F? ?? ??

[Willow]

Right ok, so I'm hoping to start an adoptable, which uses horse genetics (only I won't have any '?' genes because I don't want to confuse myself X3)

Here's an example I've made of a mock breeding....

Mother - Palamino Frame Overo
aa ee Cc rr dd gg ww ll Nn tt Oo PP FF Zz Bb

Father - Bay
Aa Ee cc rr dd gg ww ll nn tt oo Pp Ff zz BB

Foal - Sabino Overo Palamino
aa ee Cc rr dd gg ww ll nn tt Oo Pp FF Zz Bb

Have I got that right?
(I know there would be more than one possibility for the foal's genetics, but is this example right?)
Ty!
~Willow