TheStable: Summer Fun

[YourLoveOnly]

There is no such thing as brown-based I think? It's red-based and black-based. (EE and Ee are black-based, ee is red-based) Although it is a brown coat with cream, I don't think that is what is meant by black-based.

[Ravvana]

[Whimsy]

Oh poo! i didnt mean to post the sooty buckskinn >< i meant to just put buckskin. If you dont mind ravvanna can i edit that..plus i spelled Tobiano wrong lol

[YourLoveOnly]

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Horse: Clumsy Card House
Owner: YourLoveOnly
Service: RB
Recipient: Whimsy, Black Orchid

Horse: Black Orchid
Owner: YourLoveOnly
Service: stud
Recipient: Whimsy, Clumsy Card House

[Ravvana]

There is no such thing as brown-based I think? It's red-based and black-based. (EE and Ee are black-based, ee is red-based) Although it is a brown coat with cream, I don't think that is what is meant by black-based.

This is correct. Black-based means that the base pigment is black, as opposed to red. Black, bay, and brown are all different agouti on a black base

[PonyMama]

Cert fixing needed:
His parents ID Numbers are wrong, YLO noticed

they should be 547 & 561

and I feel bad but I had edited in the full wquip on Zera but I think it got missed I had hoped I was quick enough

[Ravvana]

Oh poo! i didnt mean to post the sooty buckskinn >< i meant to just put buckskin. If you dont mind ravvanna can i edit that..plus i spelled Tobiano wrong lol

That's fine; I haven't started yet, so go ahead and edit

[YourLoveOnly]

Whimsy: buckskin is pointless to guess if you are already guessing black based, they are the same thing only buckskin is more specific. So just black based tobiano would be fine and increasing your odds of getting them right. If you guess black based buckskin tobiano there's still a chance that the buckskin will be wrong, so I won't do that if I were you.

[Whimsy]

Okay ravv i got it how i want it now

Black Base single cream and tabiano

Sounds about right

[Keilin Alyr]

Out of curiosity, does black-base imply the exact coloration black (and perhaps the blue/smoky variations) or does it imply bay/brown/black as opposed to chestnut? I've always been under the impression it meant black itself. =\

And yeah, I meant brown, not brown-based. I corrected myself there.

[YourLoveOnly]

Yup, odds aren't as good as black based tobiano, but still good because both smoky black and both types of buckskin would give you a correct guess so that has much better odds than guessing sooty buckskin. This way you might get 3 out of 3 right ^^

Black-based implies the base is black, ignoring whatever the agouti does. So yes this includes bay and brown as well, because they are actually black horses that are modified by the agouti gene.

[Whimsy]

Id be thrilled to get 3 out of 3 right its my first guess ever..and a sooty bucksin would just floor me lol.

[YourLoveOnly]

I loved the Sooty Buckskin they produced last time (Cutiee's Tohopka that people have been admiring on the previous page) so I would be thrilled with that too. I am currently focussing on perlino only, but I defenitely plan on breeding a stunner like Tohopka sometime.

[Keilin Alyr]

Heh, I didn't think something as broad as black/brown/bay would be an acceptable prediction choice, but then again, saying black-based instead of just black is rather silly. Oh well, I blame my not having eaten since this morning for my muddled head state.

[YourLoveOnly]

I noticed people do it and then thought hey, that's smart XD I never thought of it myself either, but Ravv accepted it and it defenitely made it easier. There is already so much room for errors when predicting outcomes, it's nice to have something a bit easier

[Ravvana]

PM, Sokoro's cert has been fixed and Zera has been equipped.

[PonyMama]

Thankies.
I wasn't too worried about his cert, but it could be an issue when I go to breed him or let others breed him

[Ravvana]

[PonyMama]

Breeding Request
Male Image:
Female Image:
Foaling Paddock: In shiny

Foal Guess: Black Based Cream

(guess supplied by YLO, as I still have no clue)

[Ravvana]

Whimsy:

Brown tobiano: +1 black-based, -1 cream, +1 tobiano = 3 points (owner), 2 points (foal)

PonyMama:

Perlino silver dapple: +1 black-based, +1 cream = 6 points (owner), 3 points (foal)

[PonyMama]

am I allowed to go for another breeding (since I can get another paddock)
Never had two breedings by me at the same time

[Ravvana]

Sure, go for it

[PonyMama]

Breeding Request
Male Image:
Female Image:
Foaling Paddock: In Shiny

Guess: black based overo appaloosa

Guess supplied by YLO
Hoping this will help narrow down parents genes a little more

[springacres]

springacres:

Brown silver dapple snowflake splash: +1 silver dapple, -1 black, -1 sabino, -1 blanket = no points

OOO she's pretty in spite of all my wrong guesses!  *licks pretty caramel colored girlie*

[Ravvana]

PonyMama:

Grey splash: -1 black-based, +1 overo, -1 appaloosa = no points

[PonyMama]

Hmmmm.
Well I have no idea genetics but we will see if he helped any.

[YourLoveOnly]

Huh? How did that end up grey? Grey should be impossible. Ravv, daddy is chestnut, not grey. I have all our conversations about them saved somewhere and if needed I can look them up.  

He is chestnut blanket appaloosa and the last foal he had was with this same mare and resulted in black sabino.

In order:
http://stable.colbyforkicks.com/gallery/d/4086-1/428.png - chestnut blanket appaloosa
http://stable.colbyforkicks.com/gallery/d/4082-1/413.png - black sabino overo
http://stable.colbyforkicks.com/gallery/d/4084-1/425.png - grey flaxen leopard appaloosa (so grey that is hiding chestnut)

They were USD customs and we agreed on coding them like that. At first they were both grey ot both chestnut (I think both grey) and I didn't like that and then you said they were hard to code and said they could be either so it was changed, maybe you still had the old coat color saved?

Edit:
I am typing up genetic codes for PonyMama, can I know his coat color so I don't make any mistakes?

[Whimsy]

Male Image:
Female Image:
Foaling Paddock:

my guess

Black based dun appaloosa

[YourLoveOnly]

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Horse: PRN
Owner: YourLoveOnly
Service: RB
Recipient: Whimsy, Chameleon Boy

Horse: Chameleon Boy
Owner: YourLoveOnly
Service: stud
Recipient: Whimsy, PRN

[Pinkshadow]

Heey stable peeps <3

Would any1 liek to help me figure out genetictis and coats on my horses?

[YourLoveOnly]

If you or Ravv can give me the coat names so I can be sure not to mess up on that I can type up the genetic codes to go with them ^^ (I usually get coats right, but I have seen people think blue roan instead of blue dun etcetera so I prefer to ask Ravv what the coats actually are and then type up the codes myself by looking at the coat, the parents and the offspring)

[Pinkshadow]

.. Sadly i dont know the coat's of my horses, cause the Note where i had it typed in is gone :/

[YourLoveOnly]

I am sure Ravv can tell us ^^ Once she gives a list of them I will type up the codes for you <3

[Ravvana]

Blegh, sorry PM & YLO. I had added the new genetic code to his file, but left the old one on for some reason. I obviously hid the wrong one x_X The only difference was the Gg though, so everything else is unchanged.

Here is the new baby:

Chestnut splash

And YLO, I have him down as bay sabino.

[YourLoveOnly]

That helped with their genes a little more, yay! And I like chestnut splash -pets foal-

And thank you for the bay sabino note, I shall now go type up all the codes PonyMama requested.

[PonyMama]

Ok that's better, adds another look to the stable
thanks Rav

[Pinkshadow]

Ravv, Would u mind PM'ing me The Coats of my horses once you get time? (:

[YourLoveOnly]

Bay Tobiano, right? (just checking that she's just a tobiano and not a tovero)

[Ravvana]

YLO, that is correct.

Whimsy:

Yellow dun splash: +1 black-based, +1 dun, -1 appaloosa = 3 owner points, 2 foal points

NOTE: From now on, a guess of "black-based" in a breeding will no longer will acceptable; if used, it will be read as "black." I didn't have a problem with this before, but now it is being used in almost every breeding. I know that breeding guesses can be hard, and that guessing "black-based" is a pretty sure-fired way to get some points, but I do want to try to keep goal breeding more challenging. Again, I am sorry if you disagree with this decision, and I am certainly open to civil discussion. I do know I'm not the only one that felt that "black-based" was too broad of a guess.

[Whimsy]

Oh im so sorry rav, im not really sure how to get out three phenotypes without the base? If we guess yellow dun to bay dun will that count as two or just one sweetie?

[YourLoveOnly]

You can guess a base, just not black-based or red-based. You can still say black, chestnut, bay, brown etcetera. I do agree with you Ravv. It was an easy way to get more points, but before I saw others use it I never used it myself because I too thought it was too broad and not allowed.

Even without a base, depending on your horses genes, you can still get 3 phenotypes. There is overo, tobiano, appaloosa, cream, roan, dun, silver dapple etcetera, all things that you can guess.

[Ravvana]

Don't be sorry. As I've said, I didn't used to have a problem with that at all. It's just become so common that I feel it's taken some of the challenge out of goal breeding.

Yellow dun and bay dun are actually the same thing -- both dun on a bay base But yes, that would count as 2. The "bay" (or yellow, same thing when it comes to duns) and the "dun." The base could be chestnut, black, bay, or brown, plus the modifiers (dun, roan, silver dapple, etc) and the patterns (tobiano, snowflake, sabino, etc).

[Ravvana]

Pinkshadow:
169: Red roan
217: Bay tobiano
325: Bay roan
364: Gray
365: Brown
373: Gray
375: Red roan
376: Gray leopard
397: Blue dun snowflake
418: Chestnut flaxen
430: Red dun flaxen splash
431: Chestnut flaxen blanket
433: Blue dun frame
434: Golden buckskin frame
484: Fleabitten gray roan blanket
485: Lethal white (double overo)
486: Black sabino
538: Bay tovero (tobiano/frame)
539: Sooty buckskin roan blanket
544: Bay roan tobiano
590: Blue dun silver dapple splash
591: Sooty buckskin snowflake
601: Red dun tovero (tobiano/sabino)

[Keilin Alyr]

Bay dun is yellow dun, Whimsy. I believe dun dilutes the base coloration, as bay becomes yellow, black becomes blue, and brown becomes... mouse. I'm not sure if that's a modified brown or just horse fancy terminology.

EDIT: And Ravvana already beat me to the response, and far better explained as well. XD

[Whimsy]

Don't be sorry. As I've said, I didn't used to have a problem with that at all. It's just become so common that I feel it's taken some of the challenge out of goal breeding.

Yellow dun and bay dun are actually the same thing -- both dun on a bay base But yes, that would count as 2. The "bay" (or yellow, same thing when it comes to duns) and the "dun." The base could be chestnut, black, bay, or brown, plus the modifiers (dun, roan, silver dapple, etc) and the patterns (tobiano, snowflake, sabino, etc).

Im a tid bit confused hun, if we arnt allowed to choose a base how can we have three points to our guess?

[Ravvana]

The only thing not allowed is the umbrella guess of "black-based."

Horses can either be red-based (chestnut) or black-based (black, brown, or bay). A black-based horse can be black, brown, or bay depending on its agouti. So you can't guess "black-based" (which means you are guessing that the horse will be "black, brown, OR bay" all at once). You CAN guess "brown" or "black" or "bay" (or "chestnut") individually, as those are much more specific.

[YourLoveOnly]

Whimsy, again: you may guess a base color. So you can say black, bay, brown or chestnut for example.

Just not black-based. Because that includes black, bay and brown and is far too easy to get right.

And even if you don't want to guess a base you can guess 3 things, because horses can have more than 3 types. I typed up an entire list of roan, dun, paint types etcetera a few posts up.

Edit: Ravv beat me to that.

[Whimsy]

Oh gosh lol i thought black based meant black..im silly lol. I wonderd what the three points would be otherwise.

I really cant wait to do another breeding. Though i cant make up my mind wether i want to nab another paddock or tag it.

[Whimsy]

Tag It Redeem
Name:Gold Scale
Owner:Whimsy
Breed:Draft
Gender:Female
Discription:Sooty Dunskin (if this is possible if not just buckskin) Blanket Appaloosa

[springacres]

I don't think I ever used "black-based" or "red-based".  In fact, when I first saw the term "black-based" I thought it meant any black coat color, not just any genetic combination with one or more 'E' genes.  Confusing as heck when someone said "black-based bay" or the like in their goal statements.  I just figured it was simpler to state the actual color I was hoping for.

ETA: Oh, btw, Ravv - I noticed a typo on my new foal's cert:
http://stable.colbyforkicks.com/gallery/d/4108-1/springacres-569-549.png
Her dam's ID is 549, not 3549.