Stable breeding help-gentics

[PonyMama]

First no idea genetics wise for these two (and many others but I am dealing with these two)
and if I were to breed them what could possible outcome be or is it not a good idea to breed them?

Perlino sabino overo


Smoky black silver dapple blanket

Or maybe I could breed these two of these:
(again genetic codes would be nice)

[red_uni387]

E? ?? CC rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt Oo Pp ?? zz ??
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E? aa Cc rr dd gg ww L? Nn tt oo ?? ?? zz ??

I think, someone please correct if I'm wrong. If you're wanting to test for genes, I wouldn't breed these 2 because they both have one cap and one lower case letter for the gene pattern they show, and you won't know which parent the baby got it from. But if you're going for a pretty baby, then it doesn't matter The baby would definately have some sort of cream gene, but I'm not completely sure which cause I'm going through this fast cause I should be doing hw XD

[YourLoveOnly]

I have your ponies coats, in order, with genetic code and the date they were bred. I had all that info saved. They all have one foal.

If you want to figure out their full genetics coats, I can let you know what types you should breed them to (figuring out full codes can take a long time, beware). I can also help predict outcomes if you want.

[PonyMama]

Thanks so much YLO, I had no idea about the ponies coats at all

[YourLoveOnly]

Your warmbloods are second gen I see, so that takes a bit longer. I will go look at their parents and then I will type up their genetic codes + post my best guesses and explanation for those for all pairings. The warmbloods have no offspring as far as I can tell, so that makes it easier.

[YourLoveOnly]

Scary long post ahead, I warned you! You can just copy the codes and read my guesses if you want XD But in case you want to try and understand the genes I tried to explain some stuff.

Genetic codes!

Sokoro (by the way, parents on cert have a typo, it says 547 x 4561 instead of 547 x 561)
Coat Color: perlino sabino overo
Genetic code: Ee ?? CC rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt Oo Pp ?? zz ??
Dad was palomino, so that's why the base is Ee (red carrier).

Kipusa
Coat Color: smoky black silver dapple blanket appaloosa
Genetic code: E? aa Cc rr dd gg ww Ll Nn tt oo ?p ?? Zz ??
Mom has splash overo, which is pp, that's why you know the foal is ?p for sure. Only one parents has silver dapple, so you know the foal is Zz (heterozygous silver dapple).

Yafeu
Coat Color: chestnut blanket appaloosa
Genetic code: ee ?a cc rr dd gg ww Ll Nn tt oo ?? F? ?z ??
Had a black sabino foal, so you know he's Ll (heterozygous appy).
The foal had no silver dapple, so you know there's at least one lower case z.

Huri
Coat Color: black sabino overo
Genetic code: E? aa cc rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt Oo Pp ?? zz ??
Her only foal (black sabino) did not help with her genetics. Her only foal was black, but it's too soon to tell if she is EE or not.

Nuaha
Coat Color: grey flaxen leopard appaloosa
Genetic code: ee ?? cc rr dd G? ww L? nn tt oo ?? ff ?? Bb
Had a fleabitten grey foal, so you know she's Bb (fleabitten carrier). Her only foal and it had appaloosa, but it's too soon to tell if she is LL or not.

If you want to figure out their full genetic strings, I can let you know what you will need to breed them to. I am also always available for explaining what you learned from a breeding and updating genetic coats after they have offspring (if the breedings gave any new genetic info), just shoot me a PM if you ever want help with that.

Breedings:
First some babbling about the combination, then my best guess and explanation why I picked that guess.

Sokoro x Kapusa: interesting combination with lots of possibilities and will likely teach you something about their genes, but a hard combination to guess. Because dad's agouti is unknown you don't know much about that. Mom is a red carrier (Ee) and with dad you don't know, so there's defenitely a small chance of getting a chestnut foal.
I would guess: black based cream.
Even if there is a chance at chestnut, chances of a black base are much higher. Dad is CC and mom Cc so you will defenitely have cream (single or double both possible). If dad is EE then this guess will be right for sure. If you want a chance at more points you may choose to add extra parts: silver dapple, overo or appaloosa (any or all of them can be added to the guess. all have a 50% chance of passing on to the offspring so a bit more of a gamble).

Yafeu x Huri: A very hard one to guess correctly. You don't know if mom is Ee or EE (she had one black foal, but only one foal does not yet prove that she is EE, she can easily be Ee and just have passed on the E last time) so I would say the odds of getting black and red based are about even. Appaloosa and overo both have a 50% chance of passing. There is a small chance of learning something about the parents genes from the breeding, but it highly depends on the type of patterns that show up (chestnut/frame/splash/leopard/snowflake would all be results that teach you something).
I would guess: black based overo appaloosa
And then keep my fingers crossed XD Both overo and appy have 50% chance of passing, so I would hope to get at least one right. Then I am hoping mom is EE or at least passes on her E gene if she's Ee. So hopefully I should get 2 out of 3 right and still get 3 owner and 2 foal points, but yeah this one is gamble.

Yafeu x Nuaha: the easiest to get right, but still somewhat tricky because you don't know if the grey will pass on or not (mom had one grey foal so could be homozygous which would make all her foals grey, but after just one foal it's too soon to tell). Has a chance of learning you if mom is heterozygous grey and if dad is flaxen depending on the baby.
I would guess: chestnut grey appaloosa (grey covering the chestnut)
The base will defenitely be chestnut. Both parents have appaloosa, mom could even be homozygous appy so it's very likely that appaloosa will show. Then there's at least 50% chance of grey passing, possibly 100% if mom is homozygous.

Conclusion: Sokoro x Kapusa will probably produce the most interesting baby as it has a chance of getting pretty much any single or double cream color as well as silver dapple, overo and appaloosa. Of course you could get a plain baby if all luck is against you, but this one defenitely has a high possibility of producing a foal with lotsa interesting genes.
Yafeu x Huri can also have lots of base colors and the possibility of overo and appy, so this is also likely to give you an interesting foal.
Yafeu x Nuaha might be the least interesting outcome, it will give you either chestnut or grey (that is hiding chestnut) which are the colors of the parents so not much variety added to your stables, but I think there is a high chance to get 3 out of 3 right here so 10 owner points and 5 foal points.
It's up to you if you want to go with the more safe choice to get some points or if you would rather try for a more interesting foal.

[PonyMama]

Nope both my warmbloods are second gen, but have no offspring (I just grew both of them)

I am going to look through and read everything you wrote for me YLO

thank you so much

[YourLoveOnly]

Yay that means I have their codes done right. Hopefully my post does not make your head hurt too much XD You can always skip over stuff

[PonyMama]

No your post made more sense then any I have read before.  i still don't get it but everything was read and made a little sense

[YourLoveOnly]

I think I could have explained it in a way that was easier to understand, but then the post would get a lot longer than it already was and that would have been confusing and hard to understand too after a while XD

I am defenitely available for typing up codes for your other horses (it is appreciated if you give me the names of their coat colors though, if not I can usually figure it out anyway) and predicting other outcomes as well as processing breeding results (meaning typing up the code for the baby and updating the parents codes if needed + explanation if you want). I like genetics ^^

[PonyMama]

I am trying to get all my horses in my site and see about getting genetic codes for them.
but if you see anything without a code I will be more then willing to have them told to me, as I don't get it

[PonyMama]

I went with the warmbloods
adn got this one:

Perlino silver dapple

[PonyMama]

Yafeu & Huri

Grey splash

[YourLoveOnly]

The grey one is completely impossible, Ravv must have saved daddy's coat wrong (we had a long conversation about what coat color to call them when I first ordered them, she said grey at first but we changed it to chestnut). Will wait to see what she says about this, then figure out the breeding results for the warmblood.

[PonyMama]

well let me know, cause as it stands, I like the fact it's male and that is it, I probably won't keep him

[PonyMama]

Ok will keep him now that he is Chestnut Splash, he's cute

[CutieePiee]

Your new chestnut splash foal is adorable!

[YourLoveOnly]

Genetic codes for foals, explanation of what we learned and updated parent codes. Going to reply to your PMs now.


Coat: Chestnut Splash Overo
Genetic code: ee ?a cc rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt Oo pp F? ?z ??

What did the breeding teach us about the parents?
The foal was chestnet (ee), which teaches us that mom must be carrying the red base (e) so she is Ee. The foal had splash paint (pp) which teaches us that dad must have at least one p gene, so he is ?p for now.

Updated codes:
Yafeu - ee ?a cc rr dd gg ww Ll Nn tt oo ?p F? ?z ??
Huri - Ee aa cc rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt Oo Pp ?? zz ??


(yay, I was wondering how a perlino silver dapple looked so you made YLO happy!)

Coat: Perlino Silver Dapple
Genetic code: E? ?a CC rr dd gg ww ll ?? tt oo ?? ?? Zz ??

What did the breeding teach us about the parents?
Unfortunately: nothing. So no updated codes needed for the parents.
Dad's overo did not pass, so we cannot learn about mom's overo pattern gene.
Mom's appaloosa did not pass, so we cannot learn about dad's appaloosa pattern gene.
The double creme can turn brown or bay into perlino, so we can't learn about dad's agouti either. Perlino is a black base, so we still don't know if mom carries red or not. If she has 10 foals and no red based ones, you can assume she is heterozygous black (EE), but right now it is far too soon to tell.